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Claire Coffee
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:51:00 -
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I've been having an intense communication with Sav about this venture.
I have also recommended to put VV to work with this stuff, hehe :D
As I personally think it's a great idea. Just for the sake of fun. Share aspect in EVE is very badly executed, but it's still there and it's up to us if we actually want to make it work even with the bumps and risks it may present.
I would definitely expect a scam from a person who doesn't know what he's doing, e.g. contract scammers that "borrowed" the idea from someone else and spamming Jita to death only cause they don't know what to do with their initial 5mill isks.
Now in Sav's case, he actually knows what he's doing and he probably could have gotten away with his current assets / profits and made it on his own. While this would net him a slightly better income this would remove the social aspect of being part of something. (e.g. VV running charity is something that deserves attention, does it make VV any money? no. Reputation? double-yes.)
I'm yet to see an unhappy person from those who are participating in Sav's bond.
And mostly, people forget that the game is not about having the most money there is, but to have a decent community around you and to have respect for achievements you make. In this case, the successful running of this venture would bring Sav and people building this small community that may grow to a large production / marketing block enough of fame and fortune.
EVE is advertised as a "make friends, conquer the sandbox" while in reality it's about being paranoid. Now I'm not into mental conditions, so it's in our hand to make it other way around.
Possibly it's a bit naive, but that's the game I wanna play and not the game "make another billion and hide it away to flush on plex later on".
My two cents. And I'm fully supporting this idea and mindset of bringing a new level of intelligent pl
- and don't invest something you can't afford to lose. :-)
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.05 08:19:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:. If I am wrong, I apologie to Sav and to Claire. At any rate, this wild paranoia exercises my ability to keep my isk in my wallet.
TL;DR at the end of the post.
Accepted, cause you are.
As I said, MD is heavy driven by paranoia. Nothing bad in that, it's just you can't deny it's a condition.
I presume other investors received API too since I doubt that 2-5b investments fly in without prior private communications or API checks. I'll leave it to other investors to comment on that matter.
And I was the "first to bite" cause safe carebearish investments (secured and whatnot) are filled almost instantly, while newcomers without any collateral have no entry point into market and serious trading.
While collateral is a massive security instrument, those possessing it are merely in need of liquidity but not financial support. They might as well dump the stuff and start the venture. With lesser interest provided + keeping stuff they might need in future, it's a definite win-win (at least for them.) I'm not going to comment on people looking to play it safe for miserable return.
But what would you suggest to someone starting up in trading? Grind lvl4?
I've been there myself and I could have started trading years ago and I wish I did have the assets I do now to get into trading, but due to my personal beliefs instead of going for IPOs and Bonds in 2008-2009, I went another way of earning for my EVE living.
Eventually, all this brings me to this point where I do some trading (finally) and started to invest into new to trading people and enjoy other aspects of the game. I should mention that I have been locked in C6 for quite a while to keep any more agonizing paranoia going on. If you're familiar with c6 income figures you may figure out how much time of 2 Moros hanging out with sleepers with 2 cap escalations added to that equals to 2b I invested into Sav Trading.
I'm not chest-beating or something, just a reminder that investing even risky ones is something I can actually afford to do. And yes I'm freaking happy when someone is using my investments to a great result and actually not being staggered by current success not to think of new ideas and expansions. You may call it shill on my part, but whatever.
I'll skip your post with quote-jerking, but to let you know the reason I'm doing what I'm doing is to have fun and support people who are starting in marketing.
I agree, that this "Share" thing is a whole different thing comparing to trading, and I already told Sav in our first correspondence, that the whole idea will be supported by people with an already established manufacturing process.
And I should point out that this thread is a DISCUSSION of possibilities and not an IPO, as far as I can see.
And I would like to see good ideas for improvements I could implement in my personal ventures.
TL;DR: Please contact Alex Grison for paranoia medication.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.05 08:22:00 -
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Tom Hagen wrote:I see a new business opportunity here for you, make Candy pay you for not smearing her reputation in MD 
Yeah, you probably were talking about me.
Well, I don't have any reputation here, nor I need one, since I'm not going for IPOs or Bonds 
I'm just checking the mental health of this cute subdivision of forums.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.05 09:10:00 -
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I'm keeping notes on stuff being said. 
C6 is about getting a severe case of claustrophobia. That's about it 
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Claire Coffee
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:24:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..Sav and Claire - What an awful lot of words that mean absolutely nothing. I really like how within all those words you didn't answer any useful question in detail, even accidentally!
My favorite part is when Sav says "I know having the BPOs as collateral would make this bond secure, but even so, my plan is to use Isk from the IPO to buy BPOs". Well that's just dandy Sav.
And now I think we all have our answers. Claire is without a doubt SencneS, and Sav is Reithe. Sorry about mixing two different MD memes.
TL;DR version:
Anyone reading this thread, and anyone who reads the actual official IPO thread (that is if Sav and Claire can do a good job with damage control from this thread) do not invest in this IPO. Do not send any Isk to Sav, and do not trust Claire.
In my book this is a very pitiful scam attempt. Even with all of the charitable work you do in between making trillions of ISK in your C6 Claire.
"The TL;DR was TL;DR". Fine.
Heres the TTL;DR,WTL;DR version:
I believe this is a scam. I advise you to not invest in this IPO or give any money to Saveitrader or trust Claire Coffee. You have been warned.
Your perception of reality is worrisome.
First of all, it's not an IPO but a discussion.
Secondly I have nothing to do with any IPO except the part I may play as an investor and maybe harvest some ideas and ways of execution for myself.
Now while you like accusing and assuming all your way, you're just another person being hit by paranoid fairy.
The fun part is that it doesn't help anyway in any way.... no back to your "searches of meaning", what kind of meaning do YOU present? Community protection against possible scam according to your assumption? Well, okay, what does it have to do with this discussion? More to that, what does it have to do with me?
I have my opinion and it's your problem if it makes your imagination travel to hawaii and get stoned there.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:52:00 -
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It's funny how civilized "Presumption of Innocence" is called white-knighting here. Well may you never fall into disputable court case, hehehe.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:26:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..I did get the mail that Sav posted about. It looks like I am wrong about the API in question. I still hold firm on all of my other speculations and statements.
You're wrong about mostly everything in this thread.
May I suggest you going to C&P and creating a post there will all your accusations towards me and explaining your role of MD detective and how you think things will turn out for everyone doing business with me.
I think opinions of people may turn out to be useful and they might even suggest you to fit Raven differently
EDIT: Oh and I'm out of here. I guess this thread served its purpose. Theory-crafting and stuff just ain't my thing.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.06 03:00:00 -
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I LIED!
I can't skip this thread :(
While Jerry is being a fail alt of Syds who tends to lose badly fit Ravens while being a null-sec pet running around pointing fingers at anyone possessing better ideas and income than his own I declare invalidity of his points further on.
I shall seal this statement with RECTANGULAR *hint-hint* ribbon on his foreheads shall I meet him in person, which I doubt will ever happen, therefore you'll have to take my "reputable" word for that.
/thread? :-)
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:08:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:
..My small ammount of time in nulsec on this pilot doesn't mean much to this topic of conversation.
But I will tell you what means much: you taking time out of your day to find tidbits about me. I'm assuming you we're looking for scams or scam attempts. Hell, I bet you would have been happy to find serious accusation thrown at me. But alas, all of your snooping only yielded a few silly Raven fits I lost in nulsec. Sorry Claire.
And another thing that matters. Saveritrader has publicly stated that any future production IPO's will be fully secured.
Chalk one up for the good guys! Lets look at the scoreboard, shall we?
Watchdogs - 1
Shills - 0
VV, Pepridge is doing what he has set out to do: make ridiculous statements and then spend all effort required to defend those ridiculous statements.....by saying more ridiculous statements.
VV, I think you and a majority of MD know what you are and what you stand for.
Yet again, your perception of reality is better locked away for good. Yeah, I spent 0 minutes 23 seconds to dig through your KB, then I had a solid 5 minutes of rolfing so it was worth it. And for your info, EVERY WH player will instantly search for KB of person in question. I'm surprised hard knocks inc. didnt' teach you that. 
About security requirement I told Sav before he even created this thread and therefore much before you even opened your mouth. I also recommended contacting VV cause I'm in no way an expert on shares, which apparently brought a lot of trouble to VV. Ouch 
And as for watchdogs  Thanks for the laughs you're giving.
You've missed two real scams last week and ASSUMED and ACCUSED a legit businessman to boredom.
Yeah, go, go, watchdogs... chasing your own tail.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:10:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:Claire Coffee wrote:
About security requirement I told Sav before he even created this thread and therefore much before you even opened your mouth.
In Sav's OP he states there will be no security. He makes the same statement a few posts later. So eh though you told him "before he even created this thread," it wasn't until I, and other posters, opened our mouths that he changed his mind. Me - 1 Shill - 0
This was a discussion and it's okay to suggest things / change minds / take different courses of action (my statements were based on info I have which was noted in the post that caused your erection, and it's not my problem with you having less info), but you're seeing scammers everywhere, pointing fingers, accusing and insulting people you don't even know. Your standard are low and you're deemed unworthy of continuation of further discussion.
dismissed, dog.
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Claire Coffee
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:49:00 -
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I'm not sure why I keep replying, but whatever.
I know what is the risk of investments, I actually do invest, do you?
I don't invest something I can't afford to lose. did you read that part in THAT post?
There are scammers around, but there are a lot of decent people around too that don't get fingers pointed at them and screamed at "LOOK, HIS IS A GOOD GUY". - you call it being a Shill, I call it having high standards and supporting worthy people.
If a person is doing good, follows agreements, achieving stuff, I have NO problem recommending this person. Especially if the person is new to trading and marketing.
If the person decides to take another course of action, then I will not be able to recommend that person again. And probably will not be recommending anyone else. But so far, I'm yet to slip. Hopefully not at all.
This is EVE but there are living and breathing people behind the wheels. Some are good, some are bad. But calling someone good or bad based on assumption is not my style of doing things.
Thanks.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:05:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..I didn't call the person good or bad. I called the iPO plan bad.
Not on assumption. My claims were based in facts.
On the topic of people.
You Claire seem like a cool person. You post a lot and create content. Your posts are good reads.
As for Saveritrader, he's seems like a cool dude also. Well formed posts and polite.
I wouldn't have a problem with flying with either of you, or discussing different areas of conversation.
I don't think either of you are bad people.
The IPO, however. Your adamant defense of Sav, however.
That I don't care for.
Now I'm happy that we've come to this :-)
No hard feelings and I hope no one gets out of here murdered a little inside. Except Jerry
@Jerry: I actually like the word Shill. It's quite lovely. Just not my case as I'm not THAT much emotional, but I'm definitely supportive while there are many troll-ponnies like you around. Oh and troll-pony is a lovely word too.
P.S.: I apologize to VV and Sav actually, cause it was my suggestion to make a thread here. Should have known what was to come
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.07 06:15:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
nothing personal either claire, call me what u want, just dont call me late for dinner!
Of course... Once I dump bodies from previous fondue-party *shifting eyes from side to side*
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:49:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:
>_>
<_<
What Bodies?
Well, I tried to poke those with a stick and none of them... oh wait!!!... one is moving... BRB!
EDIT: now... what was I saying? Ah, yes.. I'm an awesome chef by the way.
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